CLANLONG VS. Legio Rapax(ROME III 3rd)

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. b& ^* ?- ~; U) s' v! q+ Y Greetings Legio Rapax4 Z! V, g8 N1 e, g5 g
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We start proposing you that rules:/ M7 e% Y. l  {' S0 x
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12500 denari per player4 s% p: X+ }+ o6 f
No art
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5 units max
2 ^: f: n. \) @8 O2 Roman max per team
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summer
% [% n/ p0 V7 D; u' S, Ccalm weather
6 A" P. [6 W* l1 D& m, A8 Bno corner camping
8 Q" F% R7 _. ?% JFire is allowed at will.
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; X; d( F( s5 C) H( G6 y: mLet me see.....4 {' A. Z; _% x5 {5 _- k

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No art OK
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9 K5 v2 V/ g1 G( \5 @5 f5 Units max NOT Ok:
4 l$ D/ e- z3 b2 E7 I, d(we can accept a max 5 for Romans only if you want, doing max 5 for all is strongly limiting other factions)
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2 Romans max and 1 Faction max NOT Ok
( D, r+ a6 t: u6 E(Default rules states "Bans/limits on factions: no more than two players from the same team may use the same faction in the same game. The four roman families are one faction (Romans faction)." This mean is possible to have 2 players max with the same faction, Romans or other, we like as it is).' ?$ B, n; s- q

/ a* F1 N5 a& x  \' aMelee cav max 7 Ok+ l! v! }; l# M6 p( D
Max 2 Ele per team Ok
2 a! T9 `; H0 b& m" T: }Restricted camera (we perfere unrestricted, but rules says restricted, so at your choice).
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So we agree your proposal on No Art, No Egypt, Max 7 melee cav, Max 2 Eles, Summer, Calm, No Corner Camp, Fire allowed.9 F1 d. G# H# A1 E  r! |/ [
Can you agree on unrestricted camera?
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2 t; M2 R) A4 r. ?- GAbout days/times, we would like to play on Friday/Sunday evening as first choice (from 19-19.30 gmt), as secondary choice on Saturday afternoon (from 12-12.30 gmt).
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Thanks for your reply,and now it appear that we have only one bifurcation at the "5 Units max and 1 Faction max",# i1 _9 h. _$ d: i8 k  e) a

1 U1 K! E  R; K: zRTW is not a well Balanced game,that is why we want to set these limits.To set the limit of "NO EGYPT ,NO ART ,MAX 7 MELEE CAV ,5 Units max and 1 Faction max" is no more than avoid the unbalance.We consider that these series rules must be RUN TOGETHER to work to get a better balance:
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NO EGYPT is to avoid any factions more strengthen,
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  P! t/ b3 T" C$ v% {1 b! j% s4 GNO ART is to consider the factions who have no Onagers(like barbarian),/ i( I, c' t+ L2 S6 {. d: H5 [

# F% ~, [) n! CMAX 7 MELEE CAV and 1 Faction max and MAX 5 is to avoid any factions who have a overwhelming cav power to win the game easliy,that is because we don't want cav spam or rush,this rule is also avoid any factions(like Rome)who have too much better arc attack to break the balance,and to avoid to get in disadvantage who are the phalanx faction atfer the unit size limit rules ,we also bring forward 2 ELE MAX PER TEAM rule,and then FIRE ALLOWED give a chance to handle with the ele to the factions who have no ele.As to the max cav rule and the max 5 unit rule, it is something we have thought long and hard about and to referrence the other many games and the rules.We want to see a "balanced" selection in games, not cherrypicking of a factions "good" units only.
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6 [& v# |+ q) D# cWe consider the above series rules is maximum to insure the most factions to be choosen in this map(even Numidia),in 0 |. O% Z- b- \! F* P
another side to give a very fair chance to choose the factions and units,it will avoid the player to get in disadvantage who + s* q/ b# q6 ^4 t6 s0 f
were the next(and last) to choose.And, to limit the size of unit and melee cav,it would let BOTH OF US to exhibit the skills and tactics,our winning and honor should not on the basic of choosen fations and units only,isn't it?  - F$ J: t7 }0 i$ V

) l6 G+ b4 \0 }8 `/ h5 t: ]' n1 zAt last is the time,our time zone is GMT+8,you offer 19-19.30 GMT ,I'm afraid it to late to us,but secondary choice on Saturday afternoon (from 12-12.30 GMT) many of us teamate have to...some on duty,some evection,and exam,thus,wo only get 3 players to match at that time,so shall we have a 3V3 game? / ~$ a7 n2 K8 h) g$ ^& p* G

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, q8 e2 I! X) h7 q4 n Ave ShadowofClanLong,
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We also are looking for a balanced game.  
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You cannot play a good inf army (and to me good means that can face Romans) with max 5 using as example: Pontus, Macedons, Numidia, Cartage, simply because they don't have 2 good infantries, even worse for Parthia and Scitya and Armenia because of low morale of Armenians and absence in infantry choice for the others.$ c$ ]: T7 [9 J9 _) y2 X
Without mentioning other even worse factions.....
# [$ U/ T" w; e; ^' M- R! F7 @That's why I said we can accept a max 5 for Romans only.To limit only Romans in case. Limiting all factions automatically overpower Romans.
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( v4 u8 l* t4 i) D5 _Also reading your note, we don't agree Romans have the better archers. Anyway in general we agree Romans are stronger then the others, because their cavs and infs.9 }+ J' H' }+ ]# N- A7 P2 g
And in general we agree on all your other choices.
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/ e' i" d7 q6 r# e3 ^( g* qWWooww gmt +8? So Saturday afternoon seems the best choice.  6 i; f5 ]2 w* g7 t7 B/ `5 i9 B$ s
We would like to play 4v4, which day/time you can propose for 4v4?  
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. i6 f8 ^2 u. |: }6 VHmmmm,it seem like that we have got many argeement,so we accept your suggestion: will we not insist the rule limiting all
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other factions,for example,stack of Spartan Hoplites or Sacred Bands,Rome will be defeat in short of the Melee Units when they handle with the faction who have the powerful Cav just like Parthia and Armenia.It's also not fair if limiting all . O/ r/ Q+ [& T. e5 l: ^, X
factions automatically overpower Romans,and also not fair if only just limited to Rome,so we decide if limit Rome Units to 5 ) J8 N) J) v$ C! [& H* B) I. I, }
Max,we also demand Spartan Hoplites、Sacred Bands、Cataphract to 5 Max too,and that we thought it will finaly fall into a agreement: a balanced game rule. 1 I) _/ v( N. k2 L/ }

% K: ~5 [8 }* l; s% e# d* ~O, and the time......I may not express very clear that--one teamate have to work overtime at weekend,another one have to have a exam this month,so we only have 3 player to battle if according the time you offered.And BI will release by the end of this month,we hope to finish the match before the 26th,so let's play 3V3 if you can.
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$ T: d& x  E4 u1 FI can show you Romans can beat Cartage and Greece even if limited to 5 max.
/ q$ Y4 D6 I1 z, V, QThey just could have 5 Urban, but they also have Pretorian Cohorts that are excellent.
8 v% G. H- C! E5 O. g& b! KCartage Sacred Band wont stands to Roman Infantry.; ?9 \  W: Z, d9 c
About Greece, yes Spartan are better then Romans but they costs a lot more and Greece don't have decent cavalry.......
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Limiting to max 5 Cartage and Greece is going to have them underpowered, when I believe they already are.$ ]6 F& l; ~, ]# `! r

" V, N. H1 p' K% C& e& N/ bAbout the Catas, you are right, the max 5 will penalize Romans against them, but Catas are only available to Parthia, Armenia and Seleucids, all of them with worse archers and Infantry compared with Romans.
$ x# @- A0 ~+ K+ {If you believe Romans cannot stands those factions with max 5, we can apply the max 5 to Roman infantry only. So cavs will be balanced.8 e! O. X' j. {: s

5 O/ |- K& F( l; j2 bWhen can you play 4v4?
" Y& Y* L5 d; h: zDon't forget this is a Final match, all the guys in our team are excited and looking for it from the beginning, noone of us want to miss it.  
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One point more,! o& [# J2 T- X0 u: U% ~: F6 S/ s

: B! T7 [! Z. g: p/ x" LSince the map, we want team from South to attack.  - U2 {4 [1 z6 M, Q0 W5 b$ r
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Hello Long,6 L9 _1 U% Y3 t) o: y! }  B- f

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Sorry for late response, I was out of home these weeks.- a. C3 R# G$ r# ]
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I do agree the Rome is taking the advantage to other countries, however, it's a multi-match, all 19 countries are open to both sides. It's unfair to focus on the Rome when discussing keeping the balance. Every side can choose Rome, fairly, you can use Rome to face Rome,if you would like.
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, y  u9 D% j7 M; OA "Max 5" rule will strengthen Rome is just like Catherge and Greece can be far more better than other spear-nation if without limitation on Sacred Bands and Spartan, so is the Partia without a limitation on Cataphract.2 U) |: {0 F+ ]' E2 T/ m
Following your logic, as Cartherge can have Sacred bands without any limitation, then Seleucids with worse archers and Infantry will have no chance in facing Cartherge; if the War-elephants are taken into account, the Cavalry of Seleucids is also despair. We have more conclusions derive from this logic.
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6 u4 H4 W% `7 B. g5 ^( l' vAs I have said, The "max 5" rule derives from lots of games held before and rules of other group,like CWB TWWC.
- c, {) d: }/ a2 ^% _+ iI can send you their topic address. The "max 5" is a gerneral rule which can keep the balance as good as possilbe.
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+ `. W0 {- a, ^5 Q- zOK, as a greeting to your honor, we only suggest a limitation on Rome, Sacred Bands, Sparta Hoplites and Cataphracts, to keep the balance./ q' X. D: w* g; E

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Finally the match date:We can not rally our generals at your challenge date, what about a week later? We can have a good match on our national-day-holidays, which is from Oct 1st to 7th. * l$ p( g* d. X: M, h
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Thanks for your patient, I apologize for my delayed answer again. wish you with honor and proud! 3 Y( ^6 e8 `) K. G4 R: i3 c' i
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Ok Long, no problem  3 ~8 C/ v! O1 @$ }* p* T/ i; x
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Don't forget Cartage have no archers and Seleucids have archers, Eles and the Catas, I believe Seleucids can face Cartage.
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6 _" Y$ Y8 ^( HAbout the map, if you look into it, you will see the South team will be on a big hill, if the North must attack, South just will stands on that hill, it's almost impossible to win from North.
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Since your gmt+8 time, saturday afternoon (our afternoon) could be ok? 12 gmt will be 14 for us and 20 for you." J& T) d3 p2 D7 e
Let me know your preferences about days/times please.  
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Thank you very much for your timely answer, we believe a fair and exciting battle is ahead.' C+ N. N" A& _
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We agree with your proposal: the player in south should attack./ H8 f6 G: M& N# A( ^; K. h
As the GAMESPY seems so slow in connection, we hope we can have this battle on Oct. 5th or 6th, 13gmt. 8 ?, \, @3 ^# ]" h+ W8 N3 O
Before the battle begin, we need a test to find a player who has the best PC and net-connection to host the battle. It's the premise to have a fluent game isn't it? Everyone will have no pity in the game.+ }' ~+ \/ O; Y$ u! d. D7 _9 u

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Those are weekdays (Wednesday and Thursday) at that time we all works........  
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About connection, we usually play 4v4 with no problems. We can host the battles.
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# A+ O/ o8 f0 T# Q/ tWe are not able to group 4 team members on Oct 7th and 8th, the National holidays from Oct 1st to 6th make the following saturday and sunday(7th and 8th) working days. So, we suggest a battle on Oct 5th or no earlier than 15th(the first saturday after National days)' x# Z4 |- B; {8 c; N, D3 X

! k# Y. u) t& z0 R3 A$ ^, I4 vWhat's more, all of our players are using fast/adsl connection as the game required. However, 4v4-games are hardly seen on GS, as a result of bad connection.Even CA never denied such truth. Anyway, we will not reject a 4v4 battle if you insist. Nevertheless, we need your clear promise that if failed to fight a 4v4 normally, may a 3v3 instead? The net connection between Asia and Europe is awful as far as we know. ; K! [* M; t; v5 L3 n" C! Q, }6 M% R

2 v2 P0 w8 C, V5 V* q; dWe need your reply to show your practicable schedule and we believe a day suitable for both of us will surely be found. 1 u# k6 U( V' Y- _$ r

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: G- w) F, x5 f7 L# VSaturday is 8th, Sunday is 9th, both are becomed working days? We could be available either the 8 or the 9.
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6 J0 y& F- p, O( MPlease do your best to play on the 15th, I'll go to Thailand for vacation on 22th, so we should play the 15 or the 16.0 h4 y* X7 I2 _( t6 ^- P; S

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6 }3 I4 X. d2 I: I( _3 D Excuse me,one of my clan mate told me that he would be free this weedend,so i think we might got enough players to play with you at 8th or 9th,what about playing saturday 8th at 12:30 GMT? ( ^: H0 [$ C% w9 m  N; c, }

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! k9 _% L% p# N" i. E% C- |3 oI'm sorry to say after internal discussion we dont agree the max 5 units applied to Romans-Sacred Bands-Spartan-Catas.
7 x( f3 H& z. n$ jWe still confirm our offer to apply the max 5 to Romans only if you wish, otherwise we will use no max limit.
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4 ^. E( E- u5 Q5 N& dRestricted or unrestricted camera?
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# a7 s1 a6 ~. p* C( U( d+ nafter discussed with my team mates ,we proposing you this rules:
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plz don't use daylight saving time to discuss match date, i am afraid it might cause problems.) ]8 x* G6 N8 }
Do u agree the rules we offered? And is it ok to play the final at 12:30gmt Oct 8?
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& G! X" c6 G1 y: pConfirmed we can play today at 12.30 gmt.
! e' v! L9 f5 x2 b# ~Sorry for taking so long to reply, but I had a short advise and some people of my team even didn't read yet they post I did. I finally reach to do the team just now making phone calls.
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Ok for the rules,
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; S& C+ @8 z+ ^* y5 o5 zJust about the factions, no more than 2 player for team can use same faction as default rules..........
# b: Z. N( L$ q: V3 s(Default rules states "Bans/limits on factions: no more than two players from the same team may use the same faction in the same game. The four roman families are one faction (Romans faction)." This mean is possible to have 2 players max with the same faction, Romans or other).
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Were are u from Long?
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We started at 12.30 gmt and played up to 16 gmt, during first battle Panther dropped, so we restarted the game.) g3 c4 `& e: l7 w: Z" Q
Unlikely after a long run (those games are very laggy) also in the second game Panther dropped loosing connection with GameSpy.% O: k. Z5 d. B) n9 ^

8 X5 \& m% q7 y* n7 KWe agreed with Long Clan to play again next Saturday 15 October at 12 gmt.
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Very good Shadow,
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I knew that you would be very exacting and thorough in checking on this.
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We met today at 12 gmt.
' ~8 h  |" Y2 R& L4 QThere were several issues, we replaced Cipius because he was having connection problem, then they replaced Panther for the same issue.
3 X7 e3 }, P/ f# W% BWe reached to play one game and the XXI RAPAX had the victory in a very hard situation, Long defense was well organized.
4 L5 @! {" m+ T/ {" j( i( Y3 a5 k; h4 OThen we tried to play the second game, but the time went too long before starting. After 5 and half hour we had to stop because people going out for dinner and Saturday night.
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We agreed another meeting with Long Clan next saturday at 12 gmt, we will play with same factions and armies already choosen.
1 O" @$ @) |5 e2 eI promised to Odyssey that if we don't have enough players we will play 3v3.
. {: f0 V+ w8 zBut be ready we will be in 4.  4 P7 r0 ?4 `* }
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3 _% u* `' `' R+ U. H  i) FWe played the first battle of the afternoon and Long Clan attempted a fast attack on one flank. The attempt was good, they were in advantage and we were trying to recover when unlikely Cipius dropped. The battle in our opinion was not already decided, but because of time and because of Long apparent advantage we agreed to give it to Long, without asking for a referee looking at the replay and missing a week.
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Then we started the Tie Break. There was a discussion about the first faction choose, we offered to Long to choose first faction if willingness to be the attackers and they accepted (we were suppose to be attackers in Tie). They hosted flatty grassland by mistake, we both agreed to keep going and keep the battle as valid.0 o: a' M/ X; q5 ?8 u5 {, M. Q
The lag was unbelievable. After about 2 hours we were still doing skirmish war after arriving into position. At that point I dropped because my pc lost connection to Internet.
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1 S! V( Q" @1 M2 B9 a* C- r+ rAfter internal discussion within our Clan, we deceided we don't accept anymore to play in such conditions. We lost 3 Saturday afternoon to do just one complete battle..........We play for fun, and those games for us are very frustating and makes us upset and discussing during all the time.
8 D+ l7 Y2 r8 e( B* N! ^# aNot only, such lag affects the playability of the game, making useless several tactics mainly effective against arccav and eliminating any chance of "surprise actions". This is for both side, but anyway is bad.5 b  H# K& l$ l7 n) }6 u/ `' x0 {
Long players are very friendly and gentle, but we really cant stand anymore to play like that.
# C( f2 t/ K6 T  J# lWe ask someone to decide what can be done to resolve this issue.1 S! Y0 W7 N+ b3 ]3 ^; i- x4 m
I don't know if there is a way to check connections, if it's our problem or their problem, or how to fix it. We holded so far trying to finish it, but now we are overcomed by the frustation of such games.
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Because this is the number one critical Battle for the Romans III Championship.2 g" ~  _6 A. k$ X+ G5 x
And because we have an ongoing problem with lag that has all but brought this Competition to a stand still (no pun intended), I will have to intervene with a special ruling for the completion of this Contest.
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1. By Administrative Order you are here by commissioned to fight this remaining Tie Breaker Battle with only two players each.
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So 2v2 on Syrian Flats, no lag.
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Reply  Re: LONG Clan vs. Legio Rapax
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We will follow your decision, we will be ready for Saturday at 12 gmt as my clanm8 Caius told to Long team.! ~" ^7 }( u1 S
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We suggest that we both use rome in this 2v2, no other factions is allowed. Because our clan do believe that the clan that choose faction firstly will be passive in the match., p2 g8 j+ X% A1 V2 E: {9 m
In rome, it is obviously that some factions always are restrained by some other specifically factions,like britain to rome, greek to pethia, and so on.If we don't limit the faction in 2v2 ,i am afraid that there will be an endless "faction pick circle" before the battle : P.' ^% z+ z# G8 }( f  l6 b
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; [3 r2 m( Q; A! Y+ X8 x2 B- Y& ] I'm not sure I understood.3 O# Q! g- K5 Z5 c
It seems to me you are saying that the one that choose faction first is in disdvantage, because the other team can choose a faction accordingly.
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Now I don't mind about factions, I expect you choose first and attack.7 s2 r- ^8 M2 r3 A) Q6 h/ R
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It's true we choose faction firstly and attack in the set 2.But that's because u refuse our proposal first.I am sure we both remeber that proposal. Although it is a little strange,but it was also a fair rule and had been used in match before.After all, it was 4v4, not 2v2.
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Plz consider our suggestion again.Besides,don't u think a war between rome will be the best end of a "rome" match?! And we can told you clearly, we refuse to choose factions first if u can't offer us better terms. - R7 _/ `* ~% L4 Y4 O# e, V: S

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I remember your proposal, we were suppose to attack and to choose faction first. You proposed to have both team choosing the first faction and discarding it if was the same./ l- U& n. u7 {

! ]# f: a7 l2 d* p: K. X3 IOf course we refused it, that was unfair, just giving you the advantage of eliminate our possible first choice and still having us attacking. And we were anyway not suppose to accept your proposal at that time.3 X& l6 x8 r+ r: O# t5 t
Anyway to be friendly I proposed you to attack to choose the first faction, and you agreed. So you had one choice again as your desires.$ F9 `" \$ I, k5 ^
Now stops please, just choose your factions and we will choose ours.
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You want to know already wich factions we will use for the battle?
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Last week our suggestion was both sides simultaneously select the first faciton, fought start in the middle of the map,it's no difference to attacker or defender.Moreover if you want we said we could be attacker, you rejected us .Now,i heard some absurd words said that we want to gain extra advantage unfairly.$ W6 i# c3 s6 G2 W4 P( Z8 V
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Enough!!!
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Last proposal: You choose faction 1st, we attack.if you think it's still "unfair",I think there will be no agreement between us any more. If you have enough of our "plz",I'd like to say like you guys did,I want you choose faction firstly and we must attack.would you be satified with that? - M+ H  {, r* G3 F, R" q

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That was not the proposal we understood. If was like that there would be no problem to accept it. In that way sounds absoultely fair, and I don't see any reasons to refuse it.- j- [, [. P& t, E
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To me attacking is a disadvantage, and choose the faction first is an advantage compensating for that.
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You dont agree with that, and want us choose first. Ok, we will choose first and you will attack.4 Z1 B5 A4 G6 A/ I
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Yes,we will keep the same rules we used before.
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( @' g( o- G! u, e- c8 LCan we play at 15:00GMT saturday? I remeber tomi want the game palyed with no lag.We think at that time (11:00 pm beijing time),we can avoid the net traffic of weekend in China.
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We wil meet in competitive or chat lobby.
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Because this is the number one critical Battle for the Romans III Championship.
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1. By Administrative Order you are here by commissioned to fight this remaining Tie Breaker Battle with only two players each.
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Do not continue to struggle or 搇ive with?this problem, as noble as that is. Let抯 find a-work-around, to have a conclusion that is satisfactory to all concerned.4 {" {- j/ Q/ X) \& C! _7 c# n

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& E8 X, ]1 ~  k+ CWell, I guess we move on to Supervised Tie Breaker.
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This Saturday 12 gmt I guess is ok.& l8 R% u* ]9 n0 E/ L' q0 @/ R
Let's have a reply from Long.
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; C5 C$ o8 E3 p* c0 L0 iWe may move it later, like 14 or 15 gmt for example, last time also Long wanted like it to try improving the connection.
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  `5 y/ t3 \* q$ V# W3 m$ z$ ] Checked my connection speeds today at 12PM GMT, and they are just about even to both China and Italy.
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Thanks a lot, this link is now in my favourites, very helpfull  
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( \( J$ ~( F+ Z; i1 O3 b8 \% S. U7 V Tomi ,we all reasonable people.we don't want a old man get up at 6:00 am to watch some kids beat each other .14:30 GMT, we think it's a good time to play.; i& C" Y' K& q
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Have a good rest Tomi  
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! o! d  M8 Y- A9 V+ j* R- c/ \; l Well it looks like I will not be able to do this after all.
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I spent hours last night trying to retro-install v1.2.
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+ I, Q# r9 N4 d" V. RBecause the installer, and patches, are all smart programs they will not let you dual install on the same hard drive. What I ended up doing was removing the RTW BI, and installing 1.2. That worked, but only to find that I could not logon to multiplayer with any thing less than 1.3.
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I抦 sure there is a way to do this, but there is no more time to get it done. I did reinstall BI, so can be in the lobby today with you, but will not be able to host a 1.2.. B/ t' }; f) O0 m+ A5 ?
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It works.
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# u' H0 `. ]# O. X/ aInstall Rome and patch it to 1.2. Test connection online. Make a copy of that folder and name it Rome1.2.
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9 ~  ^0 l) K% d; d0 j' D* ~' u. EYou can launch Barbarian or Rome1.3 from that folder, just insert the Barbarian Cd or Rome Cd and launch the relative exe.
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% X* x) |' S! G2 }8 z Finally we played the game, even if facing unbelievable issues.
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It's sad we lost so many time for such battle, and that we finally had to play a final in 2v2, while this torunament is 4v4.1 h3 L8 v4 F! Z, I* x- v& b/ S
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